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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:46 pm

danburrito wrote:If another study is being done in the future, I would like to see how IObit's Advanced SystemCare compares to jv16PT.


A new study will be done, probably after the release of PowerTools 2010. And if I can find a usable trial version of that product, it will be included to the test.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby furyofthestars » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:24 pm

Something I would like to throw in here, you should also take into account 32 bit vers 64 bit systems. I say this because I had problems with Eusing's Free Registry Cleaner (v1.7 or 8 I think it was) working fine on Vista-32, but messing up the registry so bad that you almost couldn't even start windows in safe mode on the -64. It was even difficult to perform a system restore because of how badly it was messed up. v2.0 I believe has since fixed this issue.

I think though that another test that should be performed (aside from the 1000 manually entered mistakes... seems kind of fishy to me when your own product detects 100% of these errors and over 1/3 of the others don't even detect 1) is to make copies of a real in use registry and then pitch the cleaners against that. Yes, you'd have to take the time to manually sift through all of the results, but that would be more meaningful I would think than the 1000 entries that were put in by people who work for the company.... Course, the best sort of comparison study to be done is by a neutral entity, but I am yet to truely find one.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:31 pm

furyofthestars wrote:Something I would like to throw in here, you should also take into account 32 bit vers 64 bit systems. I say this because I had problems with Eusing's Free Registry Cleaner (v1.7 or 8 I think it was) working fine on Vista-32, but messing up the registry so bad that you almost couldn't even start windows in safe mode on the -64. It was even difficult to perform a system restore because of how badly it was messed up. v2.0 I believe has since fixed this issue.


Good idea. I think we should do it.

furyofthestars wrote:I think though that another test that should be performed (aside from the 1000 manually entered mistakes... seems kind of fishy to me when your own product detects 100% of these errors and over 1/3 of the others don't even detect 1) is to make copies of a real in use registry and then pitch the cleaners against that. Yes, you'd have to take the time to manually sift through all of the results, but that would be more meaningful I would think than the 1000 entries that were put in by people who work for the company....


I'm not sure if I'm fully following you. Are you suggesting that we copy real data from registries of different systems, place them to the test setup's registry and use that to see what products catch most of the data?

Sure, lets do it, if you volunteer to manually go through the 1000 entries to verify which are errors and which are not :wink: If we would do it ourselves, that would still leave the problem of "cherry picking", i.e. the doubt that the test data has been picked in a way that it favors our product.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby furyofthestars » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:55 pm

Actually, instead of "picking" 1000 known errornous entries, just copy the whole entire registy and use it as your test setup's registry. Have one of your member base that is constantly downloading, installing, uninstalling, etc volunteer a copy of their registry after having not run a cleanup on it for an extended period of time.

Yeah, I know there is more work involved in going through such a list. I can't exactly volunteer the time for that myself, either. But you're always going to have a number of people that will claim conspiracy no matter what... even if you did use a neutral party to go through it for you. Still though, if you want people to hand over money for your product rather than another, or not going with the free versions, such a test would win over a few more people, I dare say.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:06 pm

furyofthestars wrote:Actually, instead of "picking" 1000 known errornous entries, just copy the whole entire registy and use it as your test setup's registry. Have one of your member base that is constantly downloading, installing, uninstalling, etc volunteer a copy of their registry after having not run a cleanup on it for an extended period of time.


Not a bad idea. I'm not sure if it would replace the 1000 known errors test, but this could be another test to do in addition. I think I should be able to find a volunteer or a few for this task.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby hoak » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:16 am

Well one way to do this easily is use one of the many Registry diff tools before you merge the garbage registry from 'Trash System X', then run the diff tool again after each registry clean to see what it managed to do; there are several common sense variations on how this can be done to get a fast and meaningful comparison that I'm sure anyone can figure out.

The question I never see answered is some Windows Registry cleaners claim to be '64-bit Windows compatible', but this doesn't explain whether they actually clean the 32 and 64-bit hives of useless junk, or just avoid a lot of it as it gets pretty obtuse. Even just a cursory look at what Microsoft avails the gp and a peek at the 32 and 64-bit versions RegEdit gives the appearance that nearly all Registry cleaners are leaving a lot of useless crap behind, and deleting a ton of keys that are recreated.

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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby 212eta » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:28 pm

Can you, Please,
in the Next Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study,
include these -FREE- Tools?

Registry Life
http://www.chemtable.com/files/registry-life-setup.exe
http://www.chemtable.com/RegistryLife.htm

Vit Registry Fix
http://vitsoft.org.ua/

Argente Registry Cleaner
http://argentesoftware.blogspot.com/

Question
-Can the Registry Cleaner of PowerTools Lite
find the -EXACTLY- the same Errors with the
Registry Cleaner of jv16 PowerTools?
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:24 pm

212eta wrote:Can you, Please,
in the Next Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study,
include these -FREE- Tools?

Registry Life
http://www.chemtable.com/files/registry-life-setup.exe
http://www.chemtable.com/RegistryLife.htm

Vit Registry Fix
http://vitsoft.org.ua/

Argente Registry Cleaner
http://argentesoftware.blogspot.com/


We'll test these too with the next test. The next test will be done after the official release of PowerTools 2010, so in a few months.

212eta wrote:Question
-Can the Registry Cleaner of PowerTools Lite
find the -EXACTLY- the same Errors with the
Registry Cleaner of jv16 PowerTools?


In theory: yes. Both programs contain the same Registry Cleaner Engine.
In practice: no. While both programs contain the same engine, there are differences in the actual version of the engine. Usually jv16 PowerTools contains the most recent version and PowerTools Lite a bit older version, and this can cause differences in the results.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby 212eta » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:07 am

212eta wrote:Question
-Can the Registry Cleaner of PowerTools Lite
find the -EXACTLY- the same Errors with the
Registry Cleaner of jv16 PowerTools?


In theory: yes. Both programs contain the same Registry Cleaner Engine.
In practice: no. While both programs contain the same engine, there are differences in the actual version of the engine. Usually jv16 PowerTools contains the most recent version and PowerTools Lite a bit older version, and this can cause differences in the results.[/quote]

Well, this Registry Cleaner Comparative http://ssupdater.com/modules/Forums/index.php?showtopic=6961&hl=#
showed that
-jv16 PowerTools 2009 found 2450 Errors (Aggressive Scan) and 374 Errors (Normal Scan)
when
-PowerTools Lite (History and Temp Files were NOT counted) found -ONLY- 60 Errors (both Aggressive & Normal Scans had the same result.)
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:31 pm

212eta wrote:Well, this Registry Cleaner Comparative http://ssupdater.com/modules/Forums/index.php?showtopic=6961&hl=#
showed that
-jv16 PowerTools 2009 found 2450 Errors (Aggressive Scan) and 374 Errors (Normal Scan)
when
-PowerTools Lite (History and Temp Files were NOT counted) found -ONLY- 60 Errors (both Aggressive & Normal Scans had the same result.)


Like I said, the products have the same engine but for example right now a very different version of it. With the last two updates to jv16 PowerTools some bugs were fixed that caused valid errors not to be listed, these bugs still exist in PowerTools Lite because it hasn't been yet updated.

By the way, I'm glad to see someone else doing some testing with registry cleaner products too but I'd just wish they would use something better than the number of found errors in their testing. The number of found errors doesn't mean a thing, safety and accuracy are what makes the difference between a good and a bad product, and you simply can't see that this way.

I attempted to register to the forum to give them my comments but their forum's registration seems to be broken. I only get "No proxy connections are allowed to SSUpdater.com during registration. Please connect to the SSUpdater.com via methods other than a open proxy while registering." when I try to register. I'm not using any proxy, the same thing happens when I try with my remote access computer that is located in USA.
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Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby 212eta » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:25 am

jv16 wrote: By the way, I'm glad to see someone else doing some testing with registry cleaner products too but I'd just wish they would use something better than the number of found errors in their testing. The number of found errors doesn't mean a thing, safety and accuracy are what makes the difference between a good and a bad product, and you simply can't see that this way.
I attempted to register to the forum to give them my comments but their forum's registration seems to be broken. I only get "No proxy connections are allowed to SSUpdater.com during registration. Please connect to the SSUpdater.com via methods other than a open proxy while registering." when I try to register. I'm not using any proxy, the same thing happens when I try with my remote access computer that is located in USA.


With SSUpdater.com don't bother...
They are a Warez-like site that contains links to software KeyGens, Patches, Cracks etc.
Their Registry "Test" is the -Only- good thing about them...

However, evaluating Registry Cleaners by the No. of Errors found is Not the Best way.
Accuracy and Safety are the key Reliability Factors when accessing Registry Cleaners!
As it seems, they don't know much about the Registry architect...
As a result, they -ONLY- presented Results based on the No. of of Errors found.

In the Next -Registry Comparative- , please, make sure to Test:

***Shareware***

- jv16 PowerTools 2010
- RegVac
- Registry First Aid
- Registry Mechanic
- Quicksys RegCleaner 2009
- Netgate Registry Cleaner
- Norton Utilities
- Ace Utilities
- TuneUp Utilities
- WinXP Manager/Vista Manager/Windows 7 Manager
- Reg Organizer
- Registry Clean Expert/Registry Repair Wizard 2009/CleanMyPC Registry Cleaner (they all have the same Engine)
- WinMend Registry Cleaner

***Freeware***

- PowerTools Lite
- Registry Life
- CCleaner
- COMODO System Cleaner
- EasyCleaner
- Free Window Registry Repair
- TweakNow PowerPack 2009
- Eusing Free Registry Cleaner
- MV RegClean
- RegScrubVistaXP
- Argente Registry Cleaner
- RegSeeker
- Vit Registry Fix Free Edition

I don't know whether you can test all these...
However, the above List contains the most known Shareware and Freeware Registry Cleaners.
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:09 pm

212eta wrote:With SSUpdater.com don't bother...
They are a Warez-like site that contains links to software KeyGens, Patches, Cracks etc.
Their Registry "Test" is the -Only- good thing about them...


Damn, back in the day it was easy to spot a warez site. I guess I'm getting old :lol:

212eta wrote:I don't know whether you can test all these...
However, the above List contains the most known Shareware and Freeware Registry Cleaners.


With our latest test we tested 31 different products, I'm hoping to get 50 to our next test. All these included.
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Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby 212eta » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:45 pm

That's great News !!!

You are the -ONLY- Developer/Vendor who offers
"Registry Cleaner Review & Performance Comparison".

Your -Professional- Opinion/Experience matters,
since you present -Valid/Solid- Evidence on the software assessment; not just the Numbers of Errors found...

I'll be waiting for the next Text !!!
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Re: Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby jv16 » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:39 pm

212eta wrote:That's great News !!!

You are the -ONLY- Developer/Vendor who offers
"Registry Cleaner Review & Performance Comparison".


I know, and it's sad we are the only who really do this. It's sad because no matter how much time and effort we would put to this people can always say that the tests and data were cherry picked to make sure our product looks good.

The main reason why I keep doing this is to let people know that you can really compare these products in a proper way, and that there really are real differences betwees these products. And I would also hope to get someone else interested about this so much they would do their own tests too.

212eta wrote:Your -Professional- Opinion/Experience matters,
since you present -Valid/Solid- Evidence on the software assessment; not just the Numbers of Errors found...

I'll be waiting for the next Text !!!


Thanks! I want to make the next comparison the best so far. I'm thinking about some new tests, and also some objective feature comparisons. One new test I was thinking about doing was a real world cleaning performance test with real data. It will be interesting :)
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Registry Cleaner Review and Performance Comparison Study

Postby 212eta » Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:11 pm

jv16 wrote:It's sad because no matter how much time and effort we would put to this,
people can always say that the tests and data were cherry picked to make sure our product looks good.

Since your Tests present -Valid- Evidence and Results are -Fully- Justified,
you should NOT bother with what some distrustful criticizers claim.
Challenge them to present better Tests, if they can...
jv16 wrote:The main reason why I keep doing this is to let people know that
you can really compare these products in a proper way,
and that there really are real differences between these products.

This is a Great Priority! Not all Registry Cleaners are the same.
jv16 PowerTools has been the Market Leader and a Pioneer in the Registry Tools.
jv16 wrote:I want to make the next comparison the best so far. I'm thinking about some new tests, and also some objective feature comparisons.
One new test I was thinking about doing was a real world cleaning performance test with real data.
It will be interesting.

I'm sure that these Comparative Tests will be Further improved and evolved into a MUST Event!
I believe this is the BEST way to show everybody the Hard Work behind the Macecraft products.
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